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fatelord · Jan 18, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I like the idea of a scythe fighter ..but everyone i ask says warrior and assassins do better with the scythes and the dervishes are quite a fragile class ..

how true is this ...and how is the dervish in PVP and PVE?

joshuarodger · Jan 18, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

get both in my opinion. derv avatars are amazing but warriors do have more survivability overall. you can always run a scythe warrior if you want or don't have enough open character slots.

Hanging Man · Jan 18, 2009, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Now this all my personal opinion of dervishes

But I love em, they are one of the few classes who i believe can survive alot of damage alone. Combining [skill]Vital Boon[/skill] and [skill] Mystic Regeneration [/skill] they can survive quite a big of degen and damage. [skill]Signet Of Pious light[/skill] used on [skill]Vital Boon[/skill] is also a nice healing technique

They have amazing damage capapbilities also. [skill]Wounding Strike[/skill][skill]reaper's Sweep[/skill] and... well thats all I really know lol

Wars and Sins do well with scythes only becuz of [skill]Warrior's Endurance[/skill] and [skill] Way of the Master [/skill]

but id say Dervs kick ass

warrior running · Jan 18, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Warriors are better for team play, they have more armour, ability to farm more, and get in more groups

iVendetta · Jan 18, 2009, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Dervishes in my opinion, are quite flexible in some areas where Warriors nor Assassins could not compare.

gremlin · Jan 18, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

It all comes down to one persons opinion over another.

Dervish Armour is very good but the warrior can get higher protection.
If the Warrior uses a shield that's even more protection.
Also as one of the original character classes they have a greater number of skills.
Dervishes coming as they did in the last game Nightfall have far fewer skills.

I like them over the warrior and if you Keep the Dervish Avatar skills up all the time you have a pretty mean fighter imo

Rhinala · Jan 18, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

In my opinion dervishes can be one of the most flexible and best survivability, [Avatar of Dwayna] can self heal and remove hex when you use a skill.
[Mystic Vigor] is a good self heal, combine it with [Avatar of Dwayna] you get great self healing add [Victorious Sweep] you have good damage and great self healing.
[Reapers Sweep] can dish great amount of damage and cause deep wounds.

defect · Jan 18, 2009, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Personal preference.Both have their strong points and both have their weak points.In the end it all comes down to what you enjoy playing more. IMO, mess around with both for a bit then see which you like more

I for one can't stand playing dervish and I love my war way too much

Icy The Mage · Jan 18, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

One Skill determines everything. [Earth Shaker]

Konig Des Todes · Jan 18, 2009, 11:13 PM // 23:13

In my opinion, Dervishes are much better than warriors. While warriors can go scythe, that fixes their elite.

Dervishes who want to take just spec into Earth Prayers, put on enchantments like [[Mystic Regeneration (PvE)] and [[Vital Boon], then spec into Mysticism and put on [[Avatar of Balthazar] (which would give 110 armor instead of 80 armor

) and [[Mystic Vigor]. Energy shouldn't be a problem as long as you let enchantments go down before renewing. [[Faithful Intervention] is also a good back-up healing.

If you want to tank, slap on 3 attack skills (I use [[Zealous Sweep], [[Radiant Scythe], and [[Victorious Sweep]), slap on Avatar of Balthazar, some health enchantments, and a healing spell. Add on Windwalker insignias for even more armor while you have enchantments up, and you got regeneration, high health, and about 125 armor if you meantain 3 enchantments and Avatar of Balthazar.

A healing spell isn't needed and for PvE you can slap on [[Eternal Aura].

However, if you want high damage, go Assassin. Warrior, imo, is a bad profession (only my opinion though) but do find it's uses.

iVendetta · Jan 19, 2009, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

One Skill determines everything. [Earth Shaker]

And another defies. [Fleeting Stability]

Darkside · Jan 19, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Wow there is some really rotten info being given out in this thread. How about the people that don't really know wtf they are talking about refrain from giving bad advice.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jan 19, 2009, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Warriors have [earth shaker] [dragon slash], are powerful in general, have high armor and resilience and the ability to deal damage without relying on strippable enchantments. Are useful in PvP and High-end PvE.

Dervs CAN do somethings better than warriors under the right circumstances though.

IMO War>>>Derv

Darkside · Jan 19, 2009, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan

Warriors have [earth shaker] [dragon slash], are powerful in general, have high armor and resilience and the ability to deal damage without relying on strippable enchantments. Are useful in PvP and High-end PvE.

Dervs CAN do somethings better than warriors under the right circumstances though.

IMO War>>>Derv

Yawn... you almost know what your talking about.

Anyway, a standard warrior using a sword or a Hammer is going to be doing less damage then a Dervish with a scythe, but with the fairly recent buff to [warrior's endurance] warriors can use a scythe and spam attacks like there's no tomorrow.

Assassins have it pretty good with a scythe as well since you can use enchantments like [critical eye] and/or [way of the master] that increase your chance of a critical hit which means more damage, more energy, and the ability to maintain key enchantments like critical agility and critical defenses indefinitely during battle.

The only reason to make a dervish over those two classes would be because you think they look cooler or if you specifically wanna use an Avatar build. Sad but true.

shoyon456 · Jan 19, 2009, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkside

The only reason to make a dervish over those two classes would be because you think they look cooler or if you specifically wanna use an Avatar build. Sad but true.

If you do scythe warrior, you're locked into an elite, which takes away from dps and whatever utility you may need.

The warrior is more commonly used in, and serves a distinct purpose in pvp.

However, Avatars themselves are more than enough reason to make a dervish your main. Avatars can serve as utility, healing, and extra dps all rolled into one. Of course, they are only truly effective in PvE where they can be kept up practically 100% of the time b/c of Eternal Aura.

As for sins, although the OP suggested the choice would only be between derv and war, they are quite effective in pve, but crit scythe builds rely mostly on enchants that can be stripped. Dervs rely somewhat on enchants too, but stripping an enchant off a derv can only result in more energy to fuel those attks.

My bet is you plan on alot of PvE, in which case I suggest Dervish, but keep the warrior/sin close by when you get bored of title grinding

Desert Rose · Jan 19, 2009, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkside

The only reason to make a dervish over those two classes would be because you think they look cooler or if you specifically wanna use an Avatar build. Sad but true.

This.

If you want to read more:
Are dervishes used/needed anywhere?

pingu666 · Jan 19, 2009, 10:45 AM // 10:45

avatars are a fun game mechanic

most warrier elites are basicaly
hit foe(s) in the face really hard!
dervs can transform into a god, THEN go hit foes in the face really hard

Abedeus · Jan 19, 2009, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by pingu666

avatars are a fun game mechanic

most warrier elites are basicaly
hit foe(s) in the face really hard!
dervs can transform into a god, THEN go hit foes in the face really hard

Where is your AoE knockdown?

pingu666 · Jan 19, 2009, 12:47 PM // 12:47

thats fun too

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knockdown

could use your secondary...

Bobby2 · Jan 19, 2009, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkside

The only reason to make a dervish over those two classes would be because you think they look cooler or if you specifically wanna use an Avatar build. Sad but true.

Another QFT.